The trainer in times of pandemic

When the Peruvian Government ruled all the country’s population (around 30 million people) should keep mandatory quarantine to avoid contagion because of Covid-19, the new corona-virus’ strain, the bodybuilder and national champion José el Churre Escobar figured out that a way to stay in touch to the pupils of his gym, Lima, Peru-based Churretec, was through Facebook Live.

Every night at 7:15 Peruvian Time (8:15 in New York, 5:15 in Los Angeles, 2:15 in London), José shows a full class with some of his power routines. And if somebody doesn’t reach to watch the live vvideo, the file remains available to analyze it or download it later. And since Facebook allows comments, the people can use this function to ask in case of doubts.

He’s not the only trainer who has discovered the advantage of this social medium to address his pupils and who wish to be. In Paita, Peru, Félix Oviedo (who we met because his initiative to do aerobics at a local beach), has already come using as a promotion tool for his gym, PerfectBody, that was good-embraced by his people around as well as the ones who don’t live in his city.

At least in Peru, the authorities have pointed out the discos and the gyms as the places where the contagions seem to concentrate. They explained due to the crowd in both spaces, especially youth who reported not to have any Covid-19 symptom came to infect each other, and when they carried it to their houses, became to infect their whole family or their mates at the workplaces.

If the authorities of your country or your state have explained the communitarian infection of this kind  of virus the same way, it’s obvious to suppose when the quarantine ends, the gyms to be one of the public spaces submitted to huge controls. If you work there, or even you are the owner, you could face a closure if you don’t follow up the local rules in a litteral way. The less, the inmediate one could be the apparel to be further than 3 or 6 feet each other, or maybe the aerobics class to be the same distance or upper. We have to stand by the rule to act.

Rather, your tasks are basically two: to honor the rule and to reinventate yourself. In the first case, it’s obvious that if they demand you to take away physically, you have to choose sanity instead of attendance, maybe to be much strict in times, maybe to experience economic loses while you replace in the market or until the rule gets cancelled.

Become interesting

Your way should be the replacement, a whole innovation plan in your business model not only as a location but as a physical culture pro. The Félix & El Churre’s example is a choice you could have in mind.

“But nobody is going to pay me for making a live,” a Lima, Peru-based trainer comments. Correct! And the same happens to the headlines at a newsstand: the people get closer to read them and they don’t pay for them, but if the content results them interesting, be sure they will buy indeed. Bingo! You have to do the same – to present something interesting that calls the attention, that leaves the feeling to want more in the people. Get creative.

The Little in public, the whole in private

Maybe you don’t have to show a full class. What about to webcast about 15 to 20 minutes? When the free time is over, you could say your audience something kind like “thanks for joining me – if you want to know more about this routine, write me or call me.” And here you can start up a business as a personal or small groups trainer, whether your client’s house or your gym itself.

As you know, this mode has become a profitable business, but look at the people who will trend to hire a pro who doesn’t say only what exercise to do, how many sets, how many reps. People would take advantage from you the most in every session, so if you have a (real)  certifycation on nutrition, massages, advisory, or even other disciplines like yoga or meditation, you have more market chances.

Pitch a full experience

We bet you know to cook. What about if after the routine, you take the kitchen-room, and make something nutritive, or teach your pupil to learn making it? And if you don’t know to cook, why don’t you ally to a restaurant business that can provide your students with a healthy-food-based menu? You could offer the full service and have a fee for recommending this or that restaurant. Yes, in this time, the alliances will allow the survival of entreprenurships.

And if the gym gets a smallest physical space, why not thinking of an outdoor trip service like the countryside, the mountains, or the beach where you serve as a guide, share connecting experiences to the Nature, and encourage your group to work out cross-country or in the water? In the end, this could be a pretty interesting entrepreneurship, that also offers a full experience to your pupil, that shares on the social media. And that’s convenient to you as an entrepreneur.

More public, more planned

Like we advised it you when we talked about to build a possitive attitude or to get a sponsor, we repeat you not to target only on the social media as promotion tools for your or your gym. Try to get the attention of the mass-media by proposing them an interesting project like advising on training or nutrition, maybe writing an op-ed about that issue, or doing a photo shoot (like José escobar’s provided to us for this story). Don’t wish to get money by that, have it rather like advertising in your favor (keep sure your name is pretty visible when the feature once gets published).

As we said, the manthra in those times is getting creative not breaking the rules. Rather, it’s about incorporating the rules for you to become an innovator. How many money do you need? First, we should to outline your idea to see how much resources you need. Having this clear, the next is to list what you have and what you lack. The trick consists in optimizing what you already have  for making it profitable and getting what you lack, but you have to plan. If you don’t make this step, you’ll advance blind.

And whenever, after Reading this, we will pleased to know what ideas come to your mind and, why not, give them a space here. Remember you find us on our Twitter account and on chulucanasgym@gmail.com

Tips before your retirement

If you leave to work out or compete for the lifetime, don’t slam on the break – program how to manage the transition.

 

Although it seems, nothing’s eternal, and for some bodybuilders and athletes this means they decide to stop their training somewhen in their lives whether to hold the body shape or being prepared for a competition.

Almost never it’s Good news but the reasons bringing them to choose that must be respected, accompanied whether by a cheering message or the simple fact of being beside as the same times of achievement, or even glory,  as much as possible

However, it’s not about stopping and staying in a dead point neither like it would be about a finished playing. Actually, it’s about a transition. There are some details you must be aware to do that in the best possible way – coming next, some helpful tips.

 

Design and apply a plan what doesn’t put your health in risk

When you train constantly, and much more if that’s about a competition, the metabolism trends to modify naturally for having the best results – the body stands programmed by the next charge of activity. If the training stops suddenly, the body Will last assimilating it, it will continue to hold an optimized metabolism for the muscle to grow and getting ripped.

It’s almost like the inertia effect which an object trends to continue its movement although the power causing it has ceased. That movement is called potential energy. The trick in the transition time from training to leave training consists in the process goes doing progressively less intense.

As you set up little goals to grow weekly, monthly, now you will have to do it reverse in the same time lapses so the slowing-down doesn’t cause injuries to your health. For example, heart, kidney failure, sudden increase of body fat, digestive problems, and especially overweight and even obesity.

Ask a specialized medical doctor to design a slowing-down plan for your training rhythm and metabolism that includes you, follow it down .with rigor including the periodic visits to evaluate results. Remember that worked other person does not necessarily will work with you because every organism reacts within its own particularity. The same happened when when you started to work out.

 

Design and apply a plan for your professional or commercial future

The mandatory question is what you will do when you leave working out and contesting. If your answer is you have no idea, this is a good time to think seriously about the issue, especially if you are a professional bodybuilder or athlete and your job was basically dedicating to your discipline.

If you have saved money and you want to invest it in some business that makes you profits, have a careful advice with somebody who has proven experience in personal finance. If you want to run a gymnasium (or if you already own one), assure the business model allows you to control every step and every cent to use (“the master’s eye makes the horse,” the quote says).

If you’ve studied for a career and you wish to practice it after your retirement, don’t wait until your training’s finale to start to look for a job. Send your resumes since before so you get engaged in the less possible time. Even if you want to work freelance, its ever good to have a connections network those turn your new clients.

Using your legacy as athlete or bodybuilder adds points to get a job that has nothing to do with the sports world? Yes! Many forms admit you to include these facts and many employers or headhunters are beginning to rank it positively because we trend to be more competitive, especially at the time to assume new challenges. Then, the upcoming later could be as favorable for you as what you had to leave behind.

 

Check here for the next 3 tips. You can also get more advice on our Twitter account and chulucanasgym@gmail.com 

How to succeed despite the difficulties

 Mario Kanashiro has got an excellent justification to celebrate. He just upgraded as a Master Trainer for the entire Japan in shaka-dance, dance classes combinating hip-hop, African, music hall  with acardio-vascular workout plan. In this new position, he’s in charge of granting the licenses for trainers who teach it.

“Here In Japan, there is more work life than personal life or to relax,” this Peruvian born in Lima City, on November 12^th, 1990, comments. He had to migrate with his family when he was just 5 years old. Today, he’s an athlete full of charisma and love, but almost a decade ago, he was totally opposite – sedentary, apathetic, selfish. What happened to his life that brought him out from darkness to light?

Until he was 21 years old, he worked in NTT, one of the largest Japan’s phone companies, translating from Japanese to Spanish and viceversa. “I didn’t, had no intrest on any sport neither; in fact, I had no physique.”

Since he was 20 years old, he began to feel the whole right side of his body lulled: “I felt pain from the neck to the right hand, and I was losing power and sensitivity in my right leg and foot.” He attended two hospitals for an exam, but the surveys didn’t find problems in his muscles and bones, as the first suspicious was. In fact, he has them well formed.

There’s ever a before and an after

The surveys showed a rare anomaly in his neck’s veins just around his second vertebra: they were very narrow, complicating the blood flow, so they didn’t favor a good oxygenation of the body. The surgery was the only way to correct it. However, this procedure was not enough for him to recuperate the mobility of his ends. That’s why he had to go to physical rehabilitation, and the sport was the solution: “I started to build muscle in arms and the hand for having strength when I catch by using low weight; I also did stretches”

During the process, he took a zumba class, he realized he could dance –very well—and he liked it a lot: “I didn’t know to dance, it didn’t provocate me, it didn’t call my attention neither, despite I played the electric guitar between 16 and 20 years old… I performed rock and metal, I even play it good today – I’ve not lost the technique.” He followed to develop as a trainee until he prepared to be a trainer, and the rest is history.

“As for playing guitar you must listen to the drums and the bass, your ear achieves sensitivity for bass ranges, and it’s the same guide I use for creating choreographies,” he explains. “I’m going to be 7 years this year, holding dance classes and training that – I continue to do stretches, I do functionaltraining, and I play video-games in my free times to relax.” Inclusive, Mario sometimes trained weights.

The benefits to his organism have been dramatic: “Before, I ran 1800 feet or 3300 feet and I got tired, I run 4 or 6 miles today and I don’t get tired – I developed a good physique,” He smiles.

Growing takes much time

When Mario gave his first class, nobody attended. The next one, two persons attended. Then, five, seven, until he got his first 20-people group. Today, his groups are until… 40 people! Although it depends on the gymnasium he goes to, but his minimum doesn’t fall down 20 people. Even he lives in Nagoya, his work brings him through several gyms across the island, and getting a way was not simple to him due to the Japanese public prefers to support the Japanese trainers. The effort costed him six years.

“When I began, there were teachers who suggested not to attend my classes because I was a rookie, or the people could injury or I knew nothing of fitness,” he remembers. “Today, I’m the teacher of those teachers, and many get wide open mouth when they see the change, because I became better than them.”

“everyday, I can give classes to 80 to 100 people about,” he tells.  “70% of my pupils are women, so in a class, there are 3 men for every 10. When it’s morning or afternoon, the most are 30 to 60, 70 years old, but I have younger people at night, between 20 and 40 years old.”

Mario describes his pupils like in constant learning mode, like they’re attending to the school, and there’s something new to know everyday. “When I give three continued clases, I have the same pupils. For example, the first class is cultural dance, the second is fitness dance, and the third is hip-hop.” The cultural dances are those ones not available at the disco or in its original country, “and we put them difficult steps, so they can take until two months to learn an only choreography.”

And if he highlighted at dance classrooms, his mixed look has noticed too. One day after attending an event, somebody proposed him to be a model.  The only experience he had up to then was to be the cover boy of his high-school in promotional flyers and posters as well when he was a teenager.

“I signed up a talents school three years ago and I started to have many courses becoming to model HiBowl’s clothes. I was modeling until two years ago, but my career as a trainer became more exigent, so I do it very rarely.”

His casting was exigent too. His face or his body weren’t enough. As they learned he knows to dance, they included that test. But maybe the difficult part was an interview before five judges who examined absolutely everything: his best insights, his skills, even how he mannered. From 1000 people, only 80 passed.

“I’d like following to model clothes, but as I do sports, I’d like to model sportswear or dancewear, as much as I’m becoming known across Japan. If the chance to feature it appears, it would be great.”

 Bad times serve to improve

Mario sustains his better achievement until now has been learning to dance. Critics he had in the beginning pushed him to learn more, to get out his town and having classes, to perfectionate his style, to give his best to his pupils: “I take the critic to improve my work,” he affirms. “If the pupil says you something not to like, it’s not to bother but for you to improve.” He adds if when his work began he was very criticized, it was because he interested to many people.

“We live because of the clients – if there are no clients, there is no class, so you ever have to know how to listen to them,” he states. “There’s still people who prefers a Japanese teaching Latin music instead of a Latin teaching Latin music. I did mind it very much, but I learned now that if the people want to learn Latin music with a Latin guy, and they want to have my class, so have it. If not, they miss it.”

His veins narrowness faced Mario to his lifetime plan, and the answer was to encourage, although that was not easy in the beginning: “The doctor said me raw straight on my bare face that if I did not do the treatment, I was becoming worst. Then initially, more by the pushing of the doctor instead of myself, I went to the gym.”

Despite he overcame his condition so successfully, some sequels are remaining – his right hand is weaker than his left hand (so he prefers to carry stuff with the second one). Sometimes, he feel  an inner itch in the right arm followed by a redness, what can happen when he drives his car or when he’s holding a class. Fortunately, he attends his controls every two years (initially, they were monthly and they were elapsing progressively), and he continues to meet the doctor who encouraged him to take the control of himself – Sensei Izumi.

 You grow when you validate and share what you learn

“My another achievement is my trainee has become a trainer, that has taken the same motivation and the same opportunities,” he comments proudly. “Four of my pupils are trainers now.” He specialized in shaka-dance, got his license, and became to give classes with that same discipline’s creator Samira Talha, across Japan in July 2019. And Talha herself was who chose him to go with her: “ I felt happy and nervous as well, because I never thought  I was to work so.”

While we were producing this story, Mario was upgraded to Master Trainer. “I couldn’t believe it, but I understood that everything turns around, that it was because of the time I hhad dedicated to my work,” he says us in exclusive. “When I see in retrospective, I realise that everything happened to arrive to this very moment, and I follow to learn. Samira says us that we must follow to study and go up, despite the position we get.”

“Up to before my illness, I used to be very selfish and negative. I got angry to the people who loved me. When I got sick, I knew what my family and my friends –two— were, who never missed me to visit, despite I knew a lot of people. That was when I realized who loved me and who didn’t, and I started to value more my family and true friends, I started to change because I felt I might give back all that love.”

Business are business… until certain point

“When I began to work, I had no explanation about why the people paid 500 yens, equivalent to 5 dollars, to have a class, when I was not sure if I was doing it well, until a female pupil said me that she came to my class because she felt she was learning. Then, I realised I was rounding myself with people motivated to learn, who saw me to make a new step, and asked me how to make it,” he meditates. “I understood  that for the people, it’s important what I can teach them.”

“That made me to opened my heart, and I turned back to believe in the people, because I left to believe in the people,” he adds. “And that made I valued myself much more, because inclusive I came to think I wasn’t important.” His pupils affirm Mario has a very special energy, that allows him to empathize and feel comfortable with any person, even who envy him, and even them who have come to enter his classes for getting him out of the way, unsuccessfully.

“That’s why we never have to give up, ever have to follow learning,” he says. “There are people who can do some things and can’t do other ones, but to get them, you have to practice them. That learning and that love I put it on is what the people like.” Mario also encourages his pupils to develop their own style instead of copying his, and to practice it hard until getting it. “And they play their part.”

“Another issue is this is a business for real, and there are teachers who study to make money, but you have to identify in your work what thing is actually money and what thing you have to study to have a profession. I can have one only person in my class, as well as having 40. Of course, if one attends, I can dedicate 100%, and if more arrive, I have to deliver it, but ever focused on giving my best.”

In fact, Mario shares his art on his Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and YouTube accounts. So if your want to learn more about him and he does, contact him, no matters wherever you are.

The time according to James Lenger

This sportsman and musician brings the ‘busy’ concept very close to ‘useful’ – and ‘inspiring’.

By ChulucanasGym. Photos Courtesy by James Lenger.

How does he make to have time for sports and music? He says he finds that time and he can accomplish everything he plans. But he doesn’t practice just one sport neither he just plays one instrument. He goes in and out five different sports and plays and teaches music as well . and he also travels!

The life of James Lenger  is the right opposite to inactivity. He is doing something around the clock, only stopping to sleep. Well, we hope so.

James has practiced sports along his life and tried the most different ones including soccer. But he is specialized in modern pentathlon, developed by modern Olympics’ promotor Pierr de Coubertin.

“I played those sports in high school and college, before I knew about pentathlon. I grew up always loving and playing sports.”

According to James’ website, de Coubertin wanted to save the traditional main event of Ancient Olympics created in Greece, around 3000 years ago. That he only did was to replace five ancient disciplines for modern ones: swimming, running, riding, fencing and shooting. James practices all those ones.

“It depends on the day. I usually schedule swimming 5-6 days a week, running 4-5 days, shooting 2-3 days, fencing 3 days, and riding 1-2 days. It sometimes depends on what my coaches want me to do.”

Beating

James’ motivation to have that pretty active life is very personal: “The pentathlon got me into all of the sports, and I dedicated my training to my mother, who had died a few years ago.”

It’s probable that many of us consider practicing five sports during many hours a day is enough. Well, many of us but James doesn’t, because he finds time to teach in GuitarCities, his own music school what promises you to approach proffessionally to that art, no matter if you’re a beginner or a senior.

“It's busy. It is around 30 hours training and 40-50 hours working every week. I own my own business, so my schedule can be a little flexible.”

James usually teaches in Chicago, Illinois, and sometimes he goes to the other studios in New York City, San Francisco or London. There are projects to come to Latin America, once he proves the teaching scheme is much more consistent than today.

“Eventually. I want to make sure we have a good system down, and we continue to refine it in the US first. I even had some conversations about doing sport and music camps in Latin America. It will just take a little while to get that going, but definitely something I thought of.”

Patience for combination

And having a busy schedule, James wins. How does he do? The simple answer is: he just does it. Why not you?

“It's therapy for me, so it has helped me out to cope with the loss, but I am also motivated to keep training for those that can't train. I want to make the most I can with what I have been given.

James assures that combination of sports and music, especially beginning the day, can make you more productive.

“Both can be very therapeutic. For myself, and many students, sometimes describing your mood can be difficult, so often we can write a song based on how we feel, and that can be a good outlet. Sports can also be a great way to get away for a while.”

And the key word, even being in a hurry, is patience.

“When I teach, I have to constantly remind the student to slow down when they play, so they are sure to get the correct technique. When I practice sports, I have to always remind myself the same thing, as I have a tendency to want to rush through things. On the other hand, I know how difficult it can be to learn something new (like fencing), and have to remember to apply patience when I instruct music, because it is a reminder to me how tough something new can be.

So the next time you think about 24 hours are not enough for you, you should think about James: playing and winning – all in time.

Post-produced by Sheyla Benavente.

Read also: Fran Checa’s wonderful world

Required certification

A proposal to face the informality on physical training.

 

We’ve already spoke up about the apparent lack of control on the manners how the pupils are treated at the gyms of Piura. From a supervision absence in the training methodology to the anabolic-steroids trafficking, passing through an adequate psychological advisory, the issue did not interest to the correspondent authorities.

 

Meanwhile, men and women use the service ignoring if the investment they do will bring them some benefit to their life or it won’t. The appearance of a franchise in the cities of Piura and Sullana  have introduced a service that all the gyms doesn’t have – nutritionists. Although the consultations are included in the cost of the membership, this is over the most can pay.

 

A way to face the problem is the certification of trainers, but a search we did to have an interview that allows us to put this query in perspective with somebody had no results. In the other hand, the Piura Bodybuilding Federation did have summoned to specialized trainings with certification, but it’s ignored if there is an evaluation that allow to know if the learned in those courses is applied and how.

 

Despite, Piura has turned a place of this sport, and every March, it’s organized the Mister and Miss Piura contests to award the people who based on their word, and some –extra—help, have reached aesthetics and plasticity, although not necessarily good health.

 

The united, the stronger

César Campos was chosen as 2011 Mister Piura after years of continuous work for having a recognizement in bodybuilding. During the national phase –Mister Peru—he reached the fourth place in the general classification. Since 2007, Campos Works in a known gymnasium at Piura Downtown, after doing it since he was 20 in his native Sullana.

 

Before he moved looking for a better professional future, he was committed to create a bodybuilding federation in Sullana. His main concern was the lack of certification for trainers at that town. Neither the authorities, neither his most colleagues supported him because they didn’t understand the importance of the process or simple commercial envy. Join the competence and becoming one only front to demand a better labor treatment too was not well seen by the Sullana’s mastership.

 

The gymnasium where he worked in Sullana was part of the franchise that was introducing new practices in the way how the pupils are treated. Once upon a good time, we tried to have an interview with the trainer in charge to explore this issue, but we got no answer.

 

Yes, but…

This was not a difficult to talk extraofficially to other trainers. The most of them recognize that the certification and professionalization of their jobs is necessary, but very few have the money to invest in the courses, or their gyms are not interested in granting them, when the benefit is for the own business.

 

And obviously, there are who have no interest in studying and certifying because they are trainers due to labor chances. This means if they get a better job, they will quit in the long term. In Bellavista, Sullana, there is a dude who eventually works as a trainer at a downtown gymnasium. Unlike his most colleagues, he has Physical Education official pedagogycal studies, but his goal is not staying to work there but to have a job at some school. The reason why he accepted the job was to pay his studies.

 

Butt, analyzing well the issue, could this be a choice to get an official certification? In other countries (like Spain) and Lima, this is a key requirement to work not only at gyms but everywhere that requires to monitor the physical activities of people, no matter their age.

 

Before it turns a public health problem, authorities, store operators, trainers, and pupils should consider the need to assume this issue for the good of community. So, the physical activity will be really constructive and it will develop adequately one of our dimensions as human beings. The indifference to the issue won’t bring positive consequences.

 

When musculation becomes unhealthy

The reasons of Ronald Saavedra

I gained less than I invested, I got a debt too, but… it was worthy, he states.

By Nelson Peñaherrera. Photos from Ronald Saavedra’s Archives.

Ronald Saavedra is a dude who born in Sullana, Peru, on February 21^st, 1993. Last November 5^th, he conquered his first big summit: the first place in Young Cathegory at Mister Sullana 2016 contest, also the first ribbon in his

life.

Despite those repeating ‘firsts’, I think he has not been granted as much as he hard-worked.

The problem is this is not the first case neither. It’s the repeating story in every person who wants to do an outstanding career in sports (and every human activity, for instance)and finds a outrageous support lack.

However, Ronald doesn’t feel concerned about that anyway, so he displays too much self-steem to put the urgency of a sponsorship for his life and –what he calls- passion in a second place and to have my uncomfortable questions, which in some sense, face me to recognize myself as a full-idealism guy and motivated to go higher than the highest the human being had reached.

- What’s your height, what was your initial weight?

- I’m 1.69 meters, I was 55 kg when I began to go to the gym.

- What’s your actual weight?

- I’m already 70 kg.

- How long had you been that weight?

- Three months ago, because I was 68 before.

- When you began to work out for Mister Sullana.

- Yep.

- You told me you began to work out three years ago, when you were around 20. What did you motivated to start?

- I simply saw myself on the mirror and I said myself I wanted to be bolder, muscled, because I saw others in very good shape on TV.

- Who oters?

- Arnold [Schwarzzenegger]in bodybuilding and Jeff Seid in fitness.

- Why did you think you had looked like the guys on the TV?

- I wanted a better look than them, I was motivated of how they got what they proposed and worked out hard for reaching it.

- How was your first day?

- I was amazed seeing those guys working out hard, lifting much weight, getting their goals.

- Could you say that was your first motivation or you already went motivated?

- Indeed, I’m motivated about the whole people who propose anything and get it, even in issues out of the gym issue – seeing people who work hard to get what they want. Actually, everyone goes motivated to be what everyone likes.

- That means you wwent pretty alone to your first gym day.

- Yes, I did. I actually went with some friends some days later. As the time went on, I already began to work out with my friend, the trainer Kevin Cano.

- Who pushed you to enter Mister Sullana?

- My friend Kevin Cano was who convinced me. He said if I worked out heavy, I could win due to my good body’s genetics and aesthetics. “Go, get prepared, work out hard,” He said me.

- So if Kevin had not said you anything, you never got in.

- The truth is I didn’t want because the preparation is expensive, so I decided to get in with I had, until I got as good.

- So if Kevin had not said you anything, you never got in.

- You don’t know how much I really wanted to, but, right… I think I didn’t enter because of the expenses.

- How did you fundraise your preparation?

- I invested the few I had in my feeding and supplements. Itt wasn’t enough but it was what I could cover.

- How much are we talking about?

- More than about 600 dollars.

- Are they your savings?

- Yes, of course.

- Did you work anything?

- I worked but I left it out for a good preparation.

- What about the rest of your budget?

- Nothing. I got zero, so Ihad to lend  something.

- How much did you lend?

- Mmm. About 85, I guess.

- How much did you win from Mister Sullana’s prize?

- I wan about 150.

- So, covering debt and initial income, hwe have a 450-dollar hole, and you quit your job too. Was it worthy?

- I think it was, actually. What I care is winning. Money goes and comes. We know that.  I learned what I went to. It’s my passion. The prize here is a few but the important is winning.

- But the investing cost doesn’t compensate the gain. It’s a lose. What will you do now?

- I’ll follow working again to cover  the expenses.

- You got a 450-dollar deficit and you are going to generate new expenses in your training process, also.

- [Laughs] Yeah. But that debtis paid by some jobs I got.

- It’s a debt with yourself.

- Something like that… It could be.

- Do you have any sponsor that had offered you some supporting?

- No one has sponsored us.

- Why do you want to be a police officer?

- I’m thinking good about being a police officer or working hard to launch my own business.

- And would you leave your empty cash-machine just by your passion?

- [Laughs] I truly wont. That’s not fair so!

- I relief. You were scared me. I understand that the point isn’t about the Money but the goal. But I couldn’t leave without a penny by my passion, journalism in this case.

- [Laughs]

- Ronald, by heart, I have really enjoyed interviewing you. I admire your audacity, and I truly congratulate you about the title. It’s the less deserved by so much sacrifice.

- Thanks very much. Thank you.

- OK, for the end. I think to publish this interview And I figure out you have to say something to the people for supporting. There are few like you who sweat the shirt, although they leave a 450-dollar hole. [Laughs] So, what do you want to request to our followers?

- [Laughs] Yes! Isnpt it…? You know, just propose your things. Everything can be with effort and dedication. Everything is in your mind. Don’t be defeated by anything. Bring you up, continue fighting. Every effort has its reward.

If you are interested in supporting Ronald, you can contact him to his Facebook account.

Post-produced by Sheyla Benavente.